Monday, June 29, 2015

What Gay Marriage has to do with Women in the Church

Way back in 2001 Carroll Osburn wrote a book about the issues surrounding women in the bible, He took a measured and thoughtful approach looking at scholarship on both sides of the issue in an attempt to allow Christians to come to their own measured, thoughtful conclusions.

Women in the Church continues to be one of the books that has most affected me and my view of scripture, not for the conclusions it draws, but for the care with which it not only treats the arguments, but those making the arguments.

"Women" Passages and "Gay" Passage

I began thinking about this book -- nearly fifteen years later -- because of the striking similarities between the arguments going on in the church now over gay marriage and the arguments that have gone on (and still do) over the roles of women. 

One of the most important points is that there are just a handful of passages in the bible dealing with these issues. For each topic there are roughly six passages (it depends on which ones you want to count) that address the issue. Contrast that with topics like love or prayer which have hundreds of passages and you get the idea. 

That's not to say that a dearth of passages make something invalid, but it does require some special treatment of the text to ensure that the true message is coming through. And it requires some special grace with interpreters because it is nearly impossible to come up with an unassailable interpretation on any side of the issue. 

How to Interpret the Bible

I don't think I'm going to be able to cover all of biblical interpretation in one section of one blog post. What I want to do, however, is to point out some interpretive methods that don't help and suggest some that do. 


Ultimately a literalistic interpretation of the bible isn't helpful in this situation. It's not my place to say that such an interpretation is wrong, merely that it is not helpful for the discussion that I'm trying to have. A literal interpretation of the bible says, essentially, that every word of the bible must be taken as literal truth without question. So prohibitions against homosexuality and tattoos and wearing gold jewelry are given the same weight as commands to love your neighbor. 


Essentially the polar opposite of a literal approach to scripture. Looking at all of the text figuratively allows one to place any meaning they want onto the words. The Song of Songs is interpreted as a love song from God instead of erotic poetry, the commands of Jesus are taken to be good teachings when they're convenient rather than lifelong pursuits of committed disciples. Like with the literal approach, it's not my place to say that the figurative approach is wrong, simply that it's not helpful for this discussion. 

 Stuck in the Middle

So where can we stand when we interpret the bible? How can we have confidence in scripture if it's not literal and how can we dismiss parts of it if it isn't all figurative? 

I believe that the bible is both an historical document and an inspired document. I don't think that its historicity diminishes the inspiration nor that its inspiration obviates its historicity. Simply, the bible was God's message to the specific historical audience that received it. For me to interpret it well, I must understand what it originally meant before I take the step of figuring out what it means today. 

To that end I look at the context of the bible, I look at the genre of the text, I look at the historical situation, and I look at the linguistic situation. All of those disciplines together help to approach an interpretation of scripture. 

Middle-Dwellers Unite!

I'm one of those in-the-middle people. And I think most people are. But the majority of the public conversation is from the loud margins. We have literalist and figurativeists shouting at each other so loudly that it's difficult to hear anything. 

This blog series is for the middle-dwellers. It's for the people who love the bible and want to apply it to their lives. It's for people who want to take the time to understand what the bible says. It's for people who want to come to their own conclusions. 

I've done a lot of study on this topic and I'm still not sure exactly where I land. I will do my best to put you in the same position (in the good way). There are compelling arguments on both sides of the issue and there are some lame arguments that don't hold much water. My hope is to weed through the various arguments and provide you with some fodder for coming to your own conclusions.

Conclusion Beginning

So as we start this journey, what questions do you have? What would you like to see? What are you afraid of?

Oh, and before the commenting gets started in earnest you might want to review this.

Read the next post in this series here


  1. I think this is exactly how we need to look at Scripture. We can't understand the meaning behind what is written without knowing and understanding the audience and atmosphere to which it was directed. I look forward to going on this journey with you.

    1. I look forward to it too. I hope that it lives up to the hype :)

  2. Is Women in the Church prerequisite reading? I'd much rather hear your cliff notes on it than wade through it myself... Honestly, I might not ever get around to reading it, but I would definitely read through your summary of it.

    I too am so frustrated at the yelling back and forth from people who feel [and even have been] attacked. I'd personally love to see which arguments that don't hold weight first, then see the meatier issues that do. I have my own questions, but I imagine that people of your caliber have gone MUCH deeper than what I have considered... I'd rather hear your walk-through and hold my questions for the end.

    For me, it's ultimately about finding what has moral value. I want to see the intention behind the words; understand what the problem was that those words were trying to address, then see if there are areas of my life that can benefit.

    1. You absolutely don't need to read "Women in the Church" to participate. It's a great book and I'll be referring to it quite a bit in the first few posts because his background information on how to interpret scripture is so good that I don't think I could create something better.

      Once we get into the actual texts on homosexuality in the bible (spoiler, that word never occurs in the original text of the bible), the departure from Osburn's work will be complete.

      Thanks for joining us on the journey. I hope it's helpful.

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    1. It could be both...

      But I would certainly welcome some face-seeing, coffee-drinking, discussion-having time. Let me know when you've got room on your schedule.

    2. Yes, it can be both. I have some reading I want to do first. Read Osburn's book years ago. I will want to do a review of my highlighting. I'll text you when I figure out a time.

  4. Thank you for getting this up and running, James. I look forward to being opinionated and understanding, bold and confused with you.